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In my current quest to find a decent quality leisure battery for use over Xmas/New Year i've come across a range by Lucas which are calcium leisure batteries. I won't go into the blurb but does anyone have any experience of them,?

I was set to buy an Elecsol, older ones are great, but the newer ones are a lot lighter and i've had a silly amount of people come back to me yesterday saying how they have been let down by the newer thinner lead plated ones.

So calcium OR any suggestions for a DECENT leisure battery?

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So calcium OR any suggestions for a DECENT leisure battery?

Calcium is used in most modern batteries in trace amounts alloying the lead; it tends to raise the voltage slightly.

For a "DECENT leisure battery" recommendation, for the price you will struggle to find as good let alone better IMO than a Banner Energy Bull. They meet the EU [EN 50342] standard for correctly rating the Ahs . Also feel the weight; it is lead that does the business and lead is heavy, its also expensive so that gives out a strong hint to "value".

a supplier:

http://www.tayna.co....es-S1331-1.html

If a CC member go into the on line archives and read John Wickersham's excellent and telling article "Power Players" in the October 2010 magazine.

You can buy better true deep cycling batteries but I suggest for our needs these are not that necessary and these cost double a decent leisure battery with quite reasonable deep cycling ability. Buying batteries is a mine field, a good starting point is a specialist supplier or motor factor; there are large mark ups in this trade so pick your supplier carefully.

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They meet the EU [EN 50342] standard for correctly rating the Ahs .

All leisure batteries on sale now should meet that standard - that's why the standard was introduced - a few quality batteries met the standard before it was introduced.

For any battery that's going to be deep-cycled - look at the design life specification - it'll quote something like 500 cycles @ 50% discharge for a basic deep-cycle battery, with bigger numbers for cycles and % discharge as the quality/price goes up.

Batteries of the "car battery with handles and marketing-hype label" type won't have their design life shown and can be assumed to be poor value - sadly this is the majority of batteries sold for leisure purposes. These are the ones that a quality car battery can outperform.

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All leisure batteries on sale now should meet that standard - that's why the standard was introduced - a few quality batteries met the standard before it was introduced.

I stand to be corrected if you are right that compliance with EN 50342 has become mandatory for selling batteries in the UK.

In practice it was not so when I needed to purchased a leisure battery earlier this year.

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I stand to be corrected if you are right that compliance with EN 50342 has become mandatory for selling batteries in the UK.

In practice it was not so when I needed to purchased a leisure battery earlier this year.

Now you question it I'm not sure that it is mandatory - but I thought that was the whole point of introducing it - I certainly agree that getting a battery that does comply with the EN standard is important.

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I thought it came in in June 2010 and distributors had 18 months to comply.

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EN nor any other national standard arent legally mandatory but for marketing purposes and in the event of a claim they can be used as proof that the product is good / safe.

Insurance companies and other Regulators may insist that a product complies or that an end product only uses compliant components or they may have standards of their own ie a Lloyds Registered Ship must be built using component parts that are approved by Lloyds but they can give dispensations to allow EN, BSEN or ISO standards.

This system can also absolve the Engineer of blame or a claim. He/ She can use Standards as a back up. In some countries, such as Germany, the Engineer is the focal point and therefore has to have Insurance should he be blamed for any mistakes.

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EN or BSI standards aren't legally mandatory in themselves but legislation referring specifically to an EN or BSI standard is often enacted, making them mandatory. This has the advantage of automatically being updated if the standard is updated.

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Update:

After various research i have bought a Banner Energy Bull, as per John (Ocsid) recommended.

The outer casing is relatively see through, so im presuming the 23.5 Kgs it weighs is mainly down to lead!!!

Away for Christmas and New year so we'll see how well it performs.

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Well,

What's the verdict?

I like you am searching for a replacement. The Banner110Ah battery is obviously very good, but at £110 delivered I find it expensive against the Numax or Lucas calcium 100Ah batteries at £65 or £70 delivered. the £40/45 seems a lot for the extra 10Ah capacity. I know it's just not capacity but its a lot extra to find. I do have a heavy van and a mover fitted so I know I probably should go for the Banner which would work out at £10 extra per year over its 4 year guaranteed life.

Any advice/help with my dilemma welcome

thanks

Dave

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I have an energy bull, been used for 12 months no problems.

When i bought it from GSF car parts for £95 they sent a Voyager battery, which is allegedly the same battery ! I did make them swap it though as the advert was clearly a Banner Bull

BTW their banner 100 ah battery is now a lot more expensive http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-100AH-100-Amp-Hour-BANNER-Energy-Bull-Leisure-Battery-/380409603734?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item58922de696

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Yes same one, you shouldn't get the Voyager mixup from Roadpro

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Ask for dimensions and compare size, front to back and side to side is a v snug fit .

If the extra ah is in height let me know the difference and I will measure it for you

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Ask for dimensions and compare size, front to back and side to side is a v snug fit .

If the extra ah is in height let me know the difference and I will measure it for you

Dimensions in mm L x W x H

350 x 175 x 230

Only the height is greater.

Dave

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Well,

What's the verdict?

thanks

Dave

Dave, to be frank i was stunned at how good this battery is. The 110 i have now never *seemed* to give me what i thought i should get, despite being a year old, looked after and used on a smart charger. I only rally so eleccy hook up is a rarity so it's performance has to be good and is monitored constantly.

*old* battery would see me through a weekend from a Friday afternoon to a Sunday morning using just the lights, pump etc etc.Maybe an hour or two telly at most, but i was ALWAYS concious of the drain.

*new* battery, lasted 3 days before i had to think about throwing a generator on it just as a top up, it wasn't dead by no means, but i just gave it a couple of hours boost. It ran the usual stuff including the telly without thinking, we had over 12 hours of telly over them 3 days easily plus things like phone chargers running every day to top up etc etc. Not once did it drop down enough for me to worry.

I constantly sit and read the fancy sums people do x amount of hours at x amount of drain etc etc and i've never gone with them, real world experience cannot be beaten. My ORIGINAL Elecsol constantly outperformed any battery i put on the van by far, problem is now the original ones aren't available and the newer ones aren't as good, hence the nosing round for a decent quality battery.

The battery, in my opinion, is as good as you will get regardless of price and worth every penny.

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Dave, there is pretty much 40 mm spare above the 110ah battery which is 190mm, which doesn't leave any room.

The battery housing looks like it tapers back so its going to be an exact fit , unless you could try before you buy it would be a risky choice IMO, plus you have any cables for the motor mover, caravan etc to fit in there

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Dimensions in mm L x W x H

350 x 175 x 230

Only the height is greater.

Dave

I would also take into account the extra weight. I think that the Banner 135ah claims to be 27.5kg. Thats a lot of weight to be humping in and out of a confined space.

Out of interest I have just weighed my new varta 110AH battery and that comes in at 29.3kg that's nearly 65lbs in old money. I hope that the solar panel keeps it charged because I don't want to take it out to often to charge it. I also weighed the old battery it is replacing a 105AH Exrider (look indentical to a Numax) and that weighs on the same uncalibrated bathroom scales 22.4kg

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The battery, in my opinion, is as good as you will get regardless of price and worth every penny.

Dave, there is pretty much 40 mm spare above the 110ah battery which is 190mm, which doesn't leave any room.

The battery housing looks like it tapers back so its going to be an exact fit , unless you could try before you buy it would be a risky choice IMO, plus you have any cables for the motor mover, caravan etc to fit in there

Thank you very much both.

Lloyd, many thanks for measuring the box. One of the problems we have with the van in store is easily answering questions.

Well, it's the 110Ah one for me then. I think I will wait 2 weeks, and hope the price doesn't go up, as it's just over three weeks before our next trip out and I might as well have the extra warranty period.

Thanks

Dave

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Dave, i got mine from here for £110 all in: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121037891499

Incidentaly, it came on a flat wooden crate which is the perfect size and construction to sit an aqua roll on in the winter to help stop it freezing.

Edit: just realised you have linked to them as a potential supplier anyway, from my experience first class service with mega quick delivery.

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Glad to hear the recommendation worked out for you as well.

If you want performance you have to have the appropriate weight as it is only the lead that stores the energy; if its light on lead it must be light on ability, there is with this technology no other way round it.

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Glad to hear the recommendation worked out for you as well.

If you want performance you have to have the appropriate weight as it is only the lead that stores the energy; if its light on lead it must be light on ability, there is with this technology no other way round it.

It was on Ocsid's advise that i went Banner Bull , not looked back

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Thanks All,

Banner it is then.

Dave

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Well, having received my new battery, I have added a page on Caravan Batteries and their choosing and maintenance in 'My Caravan Site' at:

http://www.mycaravan.org.uk/Battery.html

Kind Regards

Dave

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Well, having received my new battery, I have added a page on Caravan Batteries and their choosing and maintenance in 'My Caravan Site' at:

http://www.mycaravan...uk/Battery.html

Kind Regards

Dave

Dave your blued link is not working but the one in your signature gets you there.

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