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#1 ONLINE   ArtistsRifles

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:27 AM

This from the BBC news web site today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19861145 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19833237

The last line is an absolute corker - how the spokesman could have said it with a straight face is  worthy of an investigation in it's own right!!

Drivers face new surprise 'repair' motorway fees

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Drivers are being hit with expensive bills from Highways Agency contractors for emergency repairs. Motorists claim the prices are over-inflated and in some cases they question whether the repairs ever took place.
Sheila Kaur-Patel, who works as a BBC production manager, was shocked when she received an invoice for £3,000 for damage she had allegedly caused during a motorway incident.
Nearly three months earlier she had skidded across the M6 after unexpectedly hitting some liquid on the surface and ended up facing the wrong way on the hard shoulder.
She said: "When the bill arrived, I was devastated. The damages or so-called 'maintenance fees' are worth more than my car."
"The police officer said I was very lucky," she says, "the only damage was a scrape to my bumper."
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I would have turned my car around myself if I knew I was going to get charged almost £3,000.”

Sheila Kaur-Patel
The police closed the motorway for a matter of minutes so that Sheila could safely turn the car round and continue her journey to see her family.
The charges came from Amey LG Limited, one of several large construction companies which maintain the motorways on behalf of the Highways Agency.
A breakdown of the bill lists items such as a 7.5 tonne tipper hire, repairs to rails and £1,830.91 for the closure of the hard shoulder.
But Sheila insists she has no idea where the idea that any damage was caused has come from. She never saw the tipper or anyone from the company.
Growing trend
Amey LG Limited told Sheila that the bill she received was for inspection work carried out after she left the scene.
A spokesperson for the company told the BBC: "It is important that defects are repaired after an incident to ensure the safety of the travelling public."
"If repairs are necessary, we liaise with any party found to have caused damage to recover the associated costs. A breakdown of these are provided to the relevant parties in an invoice."
The BBC has learned that this is part of a growing trend. Highways Agency contractors are increasingly targeting drivers with expensive bills for repairs.
Posted Image Sheila Kaur-Patel received a bill for £3,000 damage she says she did not cause
5 live Investigates has been told of several cases involving drivers who have broken down only to be charged several weeks later for the clear-up of oil spillages.
But when the companies concerned have been challenged about either the level of the charge - in excess of £300 in most cases - or asked to provide evidence of the spill and a breakdown of the charges levied - the amount is reduced or not pursued any further.
This has raised suspicions that some of the bills are not legitimate. In one case, the driver maintains that the oil was cleared by the fire brigade at the time of the breakdown, while another claims that no oil leaked from his car at all.
It is a trend that is surprising those who work on the roads on a daily basis.Continue reading the main story
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Listen to the full report on 5 live Investigates on BBC 5 live on Sunday, 7 March at 21:00 GMT or download the programme podcast. "In the past, the charges were never levied," says Paul Watters from the AA. "Now the bills are appearing. We need to know what the policy for charging actually is."
Legitimate costs
People like Sheila question why individual drivers should have to pay anything. "It makes me wonder what our taxes and road tax actually go on?" she says.
"I would have turned my car around myself if I knew I was going to get charged almost £3,000."
The Highways Agency says when repairs are needed after a breakdown or collision it is not right that the costs should be borne by the taxpayer and therefore they or their contractors will seek to recover the cost of repairs from insurance companies or individuals where appropriate.
The cases above highlight a lack of transparency about what is being charged for, the level of the charge and when someone is liable to pay.
Insurance companies have been a target for motorway maintenance contractors for some time and insurers have frequently questioned some of the discrepancies that appear in the charges.
The rates themselves can vary widely between different companies too.
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The job would take just five minutes, and the materials used cost as little at £12.50”

Former employee of major road maintenance company
And the prices seem pretty steep. A recent employee of one of the major road maintenance companies told the BBC that he was stunned that drivers were being sent bills of more than £300 to clear up a small oil spillage.
The job would take just five minutes and the materials used cost as little at £12.50, he said.
It is difficult to say why private Highways Agency maintenance contractors have begun targeting individual drivers.
"It is a new development," says Philip Swift of Claims Management and Adjusting Ltd, which fights claims on behalf of insurance companies.
"We see it from the insurers' perspective. What you are telling me is concerning."
But he and others fear that the situation is about to get a lot worse as maintenance companies implement cuts of around 25% requested by the Highways Agency.
And even more so as the Agency introduces a string of new contracts over the next three years, which are considered to be less lucrative.
Some anticipate that companies may try to recoup some of the lost revenue from the new contracts by cracking down on drivers more aggressively and over-inflating legitimate charges.
"We've geared up for an increase in claims," admits Philip Swift, "and trained additional staff in the claims process."
The Highways Term Maintenance Association (HTMA), which represents a number of the private Highways Agency contractors told the BBC that the accusations being levelled at the industry were 'misleading.'
"HTMA members are dedicated to help and support the everyday motorist, by making sure our roads are safe and disruption is kept to a minimum," a spokesperson said.
"Sometimes we have to clean up after incidents, repairing damage caused by motorists, and sometimes the motorist is asked to pay for the damage they have caused."
"We believe this is absolutely fair… We do not believe that our members would ever abuse their status."
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:17 AM

Thanks be that I live in and drive the highways of France, this sort of thing is worse than wheel clamping companies !!
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:00 AM

Nothing to worry about as more than likely totally unenforceable like parking tickets on a supermarket car park as you never agreed to any contract and there is no signage stating  that if you have an accident you are liable for all costs.  What if someone else causes you to have an accident and drives off.  Can you be held liable?
You have road tax which should cover road maintenance.  Why should you pay twice?  After all no one sets off with the intention of having an accident on some road.  It would be interesting to watch if one of these private companies were stupid enough to decide to pursue a claim through the courts.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:09 PM

It's been going on "for ever" -  drivers get charged for ambulance attendance at RTA's because they have compulsory insurance - no other class of highway user gets charged which is the anomaly that makes this highway robbery.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:20 PM

The lady featured in the report had her car go into a spin on a section of motorway contracted out to Amey.  The police had to stop the traffic for a few minutes as she came to rest facing the wrong way so she could turn around safely and resume her journey.  She never hit the Armco, there was no damage to the road surface or her vehicle.  She got a bill from Amey for a few thousand pounds for sending out a tipper and a road repair crew to repair the Armco, for cleaning off the surface of the motorway and for having the lanes closed....  Fortunately she stood up to the implied legal threats in the bill and took Amey on in the courts.  Result - Amey folded and walked away.  The BBC researchers have found a fair few people who did pay the bill because they thought they were legally liable - one guy got hit for something like £3K for cleaning oil off the surface of the carriageway after he broke down and had to be recovered from the hard shoulder.  It wasn't till after he paid the bill for fear of  having debt collectors turn up that it dawned on him his car never lost any oil....  The maintenance companies aren't hitting the insurance companies with these claims but the private individuals as I believe they know where the insurers would tell them to go....
The view of the report is that, with the Gov't making cuts everywhere, the contracts for motorway maintenance aren't the cash-cows they first seemed to be so the companies involved are resorting to unethical, if not downright illegal, methods such as these to restore profits.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:28 PM

I saw this article the other day and I was surprised as Id never even considered it.

My first reaction was why dont they send the bill to the Insurance Company.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:51 AM

Probably because the insurance companies replies would run along the lines of "go forth and multiply" closely followed by "you'll be talking to our lawyers about this fraudulent claim against our clients policy"......
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