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[Maurice]

Is global warming happening
-- We was watching a TV program today when they were on about more of the worlds glaciers were getting bigger
-- but the"pundits of global warming" only ever report those glaciers that are shrinking..

Also what about this cold weather we are having now??

Normally at this time -- my sons birthday next week -- we have our first BBQ
-- been the same for 20 years -- but now - Rain and hail.

So have they got the weather wrong -- is it getting colder -- NOT warmer

Plus the fact we go to the South of France in two weeks
-- and the temperature are colder than here
-- Something wrong some where??

Maurice

[bi6als]

Arent these unusual weather patterns the result of global warming. Seasons changing and extreme weather events.

[gary]

April Showers, I wonder how it got this name?

Surely because it showers a lot in April but has not done so for many years, so now April is simply living up to it's name.

So that's a wet April explained,  what worries me is the Forecast for May when the rain turns to snow!!

[Surfer]

They cannot even get the weather correct for tomorrow never mind, next week, next month or next year.  However they can predict the weather in 10 or 20 years time!  Bloody monkeys!

[Brassneck]

There is a lot of information out there which gives both sides of the argument. I dont for one second believe in global warming, it's a myth if you concur to the fact its man made. If you accept that the Earth heats and cools and has done for ions then fair enough. But it isnt man made, nor is it anything out of the normal cycle of life.

Saying that there is some extremely odd weather patterns and events that have been unprecedented over the last few years, and by few i mean extremely recently, just 10 years or so.

But i still dont believe its man made, and ive read nothing (and i read extensively) to make me consider that it is.

[Mister H]

Part of the support for global warming is more extreme weather so cooler winters can actually be a sign that the world is warming, as heat creates a strong high-pressure system that brings cold polar air into Europe - hence the cooler winters and increase in snowfall that we have seen over the past few years.

Whether you believe in it or not (I'm undecided) there's something to be said for taking oil from the earth, burning it and releasing the toxins into the environment. The damage caused to life from breathing and ingesting the bi products and toxins from burning fossil fuels is well documented...

[Surfer]

I can recall some extreme weather patterns way back in the mid sixties when we got hit with a hurricane in Cape Town and then again a cyclone in the 1980s in Durban.  Both cities never ever see this type of weather pattern.  
IMHO this type of weather has been occurring for centuries, but as we never had good communication like phones and the Internet, it was never known about.  By the time news got to the other side of the world it was old news and not worth bothering about, but today if a celebrity stumbles and falls somewhere in the Artic, within minutes the whole world knows about it!

[The Drifter]

Many years ago when I was at school we were taught in our geography lessons that the Earth was still emerging from the final elements of the last ice age and that weather patterns would be unpredictable but in general it would become warmer. This was news long before politics started to handle the situation for profit and suggest that it's all our fault.

[Angus]

The term "global warming" was always going to be a short term one, the now universally used "climate change" means that whatever the weather does it can be put down to "climate change" and the only possible way to reduce the effects is to increase taxes. Of course one of the long term effects of that is that as a nation we become less competitive in manufacturing, which ends up going elsewhere, but it increases revenue short term and that is as far as any politician looks.

20-odd years ago there was no such thing as Landfill Tax. It was introduced to encouraged recycling (a good thing), and the revenue was supposed to ring-fenced for environmental projects. It now cost £64.00 per tonne (increases by £8.00per tonne year on year which is getting on for a 15% increase for industry) and of the billions it raises how much do you see invested in 'environmental' projects?

If they could tax the air you breathe it would be done for "environmental" reasons.

Con upon con upon con.

[gary]

Angus, on 23 April 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

If they could tax the air you breathe it would be done for "environmental" reasons.

But they do! AKA CO2 tax, a politicians utopia if ever there was one!

I'm certain there is climate change but I cannot see how 'we' have much if anything to do with it, just the earth carrying on it's it's own sweet way as it's always done, what riles me is this idea we can measure it, when our lifetimes are less than a nano second in earth terms! What though I do in general support is getting away from fossil fuels and forcing a sea change in ideas on energy production.

20 years ago the various government's forced car companies to increase engine efficiency by setting targets and increasing taxes, that must be considered a good thing, without the same incentives breeding new sources of energy, the oil giants will simply ignore it and carry on in their own money grabbing world

[bi6als]

You cannot view climate change by a single event or even over a few years. It has to be monitored by trends and averages over many years. There is definite proof that the earth is warming and that the CO2 output is increasing, more cars and less trees. How fast its increasing is probably unpredictable. Its a very complex subject and how much is caused by man is a matter for conjecture but its plain to see than we have played a significant part.

However, the governments of the world have seen it as an "acceptable tax" and jumped on every opportunity to take advantage. This is what has led many people to believe global warming is a con perpetuated by their government.

[Surfer]

bi6als, on 23 April 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

You cannot view climate change by a single event or even over a few years. It has to be monitored by trends and averages over many years. There is definite proof that the earth is warming and that the CO2 output is increasing, more cars and less trees. How fast its increasing is probably unpredictable. Its a very complex subject and how much is caused by man is a matter for conjecture but its plain to see than we have played a significant part.

However, the governments of the world have seen it as an "acceptable tax" and jumped on every opportunity to take advantage. This is what has led many people to believe global warming is a con perpetuated by their government.

Emissions should be decreasing over the centuries as we have less and less active volcanoes etc.  Sorry I don't buy into this global warming myth and climate change happens naturally over the centuries.

[bi6als]

Surfer, on 23 April 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Emissions should be decreasing over the centuries as we have less and less active volcanoes etc.  Sorry I don't buy into this global warming myth and climate change happens naturally over the centuries.

Humans emit more CO2 in 3 days than all the volcanos in the world emit in a year..........a factor of 135 to 1

You only have to try and get anywhere these days to realise there are more cars on the roads. And thats just here. They have traffic jams in places that, only a relatively short time ago, didnt have roads never mind cars. Add to that the amount of deforestation (trees being the antidote) that goes on and it has to have a massive effect.

[olderbutnotwiser]

I wonder if this thread is a Maurice special - light the blue touch paper and move away?

[Surfer]

bi6als, on 23 April 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

Humans emit more CO2 in 3 days than all the volcanos in the world emit in a year..........a factor of 135 to 1

You only have to try and get anywhere these days to realise there are more cars on the roads. And thats just here. They have traffic jams in places that, only a relatively short time ago, didnt have roads never mind cars. Add to that the amount of deforestation (trees being the antidote) that goes on and it has to have a massive effect.

One volcano pollutes more in one day than all the vehicles in the UK in a year!  Fact!