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#1 giggyman

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 09:29 PM

Hi Folks,
I was away for weekend and while using my carver cascade 2 water heater noticed loads of steam and water coming from outside cowl.Relatively new to this and thought i needed to have water heater switch on(one with green red and yellow light )+fused switch.Are these 2 completely independent systems 1 gas and 1 electric?.The fused switch is down low just in front of heater.Could having both on together have done harm? I removed cowl cover and found leak to be from 13 mm plug-i have since discovered that this is a wax filled plug that melts for safety.I have temporarily replaced this with solid bolt to allow cold water usage and havent used hot water switches since.I have noticed that bolt unscrews from rubber /plastic so what would i need to get and do to get up and running again.Sorry for longwinded explanation but i am new to all this and trying not to spend a fortune.
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 09:40 PM

HAVENT GOT A CLUE????????

but i know a man who has..

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give gary a call .
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:24 PM

As you've discovered the 'fusible plug' has blown, however it's not because you used both gas and electric together no.gif
Below is an overview to give you a better idea on how the water heater works, after that, as Ian says, give me a ring and I'll sort it out;

The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, it’s to show low voltage and won’t light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it ‘flash’ as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v emersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show it’s “on”, not that it’s working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have “tripped” Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the “Burner Module”. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong it’s a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled ‘fusible’ plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because it’s control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a ‘toggle’ showing that when turned a ¼ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system.

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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:26 PM

told you thumbup.gif

nice one gary lol.gif
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Posted 10 August 2008 - 10:45 PM

Many thanks for swift reply will give you a ring tomorrow is it-0115 921 3175?
rgds,
Dermot.